Just so you know. And Mint will follow in a month or so I expect with their big release too.
https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-18-04-release-features/
https://itsfoss.com/linux-mint-19-release-feature/
It's using 4.15 kernel which has already reached EOL. So, I wonder how Ubuntu is going to do "Long Term Support".
Five years, same as every other release of Ubuntu LTS version.
I don't claim to be an expert on how kernel versions work but Ubuntu customizes their kernels so I don't think the fact that kernel.org says 4.15.18 is EOL means anything to the Ubuntu release. Just because the kernel team won't release patches for it, doesn't mean the Canonical team can't. I also think that the kernel team will still fix security issues that arise even in 4.15.x kernels or Canonical will backport them from later kernel releases.
Basically, I think Ubuntu knows what it's doing.
Quote from: Jason Wallwork on April 28, 2018, 12:09:17 AM
Basically, I think Ubuntu knows what it's doing.
Not sure. I tried Ubuntu 18.04 in VirtualBox 5.2.10. It installs, but fails to boot after that. Xubuntu and Kubuntu were OK.
Quote from: William on April 28, 2018, 11:42:47 PM
Quote from: Jason Wallwork on April 28, 2018, 12:09:17 AM
Basically, I think Ubuntu knows what it's doing.
Not sure. I tried Ubuntu 18.04 in VirtualBox 5.2.10. It installs, but fails to boot after that. Xubuntu and Kubuntu were OK.
That comment was specific to the kernels. I have no idea how well it works in Virtualbox. Buster says Mint seems to work a lot better in a VM but I think he uses VMWare Player.
William had I had maybe similar experiences. My Ubuntu was totally unacceptable. Lite is very good. I wonder if the Gnome has anything to do with it. Never my favourite by the way.
Quote from: William on April 28, 2018, 11:42:47 PM
Not sure. I tried Ubuntu 18.04 in VirtualBox 5.2.10. It installs, but fails to boot after that. Xubuntu and Kubuntu were OK.
What host are you using and what setup preferences did you use (ram, processor, storage space) for the vm?
I ask because I just finished installing Ubuntu 18.04 LTS in a VM and it boots up fine afterward and works fine; I restarted it four times.
I'm not using exactly the same version of Virtualbox as you, though. It's version 5.1.34_Ubuntu, which is the default for Linux Mint 18.3, the host I'm running it in. I allocated two processors, 2048 MB RAM, and 25 GB, the minimum list requirements at the Ubuntu download page. Try those settings if you haven't already and see if it makes any difference.
18.04 Installed on the following
Baremetal Intel NUC.
WSL on windows 10 after some massaging.
18.04 graphical working in Hyper-v in server 2012r2 and in Windows 10.
The new installer for Server is much nicer and much faster.
Beyond that I have had zero issues so far I find that when installing services they autostart.
apt install mariadb-server and BOOM it's already running. I will be swapping out all my Centos7 installs for 18.04 now that it's out. Streamline!!
Jason wrote: "I just finished installing Ubuntu 18.04 LTS in a VM and it boots up fine afterward and works fine; I restarted it four times. "
Interesting. Maybe you're just better at this than I am. But yours is Linux in Linux. May make a difference for desktop installs Linux in Win10. (I assume your installs were servers Cod3poet.)
How does your drag and drop work with the host Jason? And I had other issues as well with Ubuntu that haven't shown for about my last 5 virtual installs with other distros.
Doesn't really matter to me too much, and I'm only a bit curious. I can't see myself using Gnome in a vm.
Ubuntu 18.04 is running, now. I had "Solid-state Drive" enabled because it's installed on SSD. With it disabled, it boots. I guess, it's Gnome issue.
So far I do not mind the return to Xorg, and Gnome I never really had any love for the Ubuntu Gui and will be doing an LTS from the bottom to the box build (Openbox) However once the Win10 april update comes out ubuntu and win10 hyper-v should be best friends. We'll see tomorrow I guess.
Quote from: buster on April 29, 2018, 09:53:42 PM
How does your drag and drop work with the host Jason? And I had other issues as well with Ubuntu that haven't shown for about my last 5 virtual installs with other distros.
I haven't gotten that working yet (or the bidirectional clipboard). Not that I've tried very hard. I tried installing the extensions via the menu option in virtualbox and it didn't work. I should probably look for the extensions in the Ubuntu software manager.
Btw, I'm also using Virtualbox and you're using VMware Player, right? I did find it slower than my regular desktop but I didn't allocate more than the minimum RAM and no extra video.
"I haven't gotten that working yet (or the bidirectional clipboard). "
Soooooo... I reinstalled Ubuntu 18.04. I know. :-[
Here's what I found the second time, in VMWare, with 2 gig of memory and 2 cores.
#1. Very easy install.
#2. Drag and drop worked right from the install, host to guest. From Ubuntu to Win10 however, I had to use copy/paste. Quite adequate.
#3. VLC played music clearly right away without any fiddling around.
#4. Update worked right away with a notice.
#5. HOWEVER --- even after a few reboots, the OS tied up as if there were memory problems. It took a while to sort things out.
#6. AND --- how in the world do you change the double click mouse to single click with Gnome??? I'll tell you where not to look - inside the home folder, in Gnome-tweaks, in preferences...... and anywhere else I looked. And I could find no reference to it with Google that located the switch.
The slowness for me is a stumbling block, especially with good VMs of Mint and Lite. And I've used a single click mouse as far back as I can remembef.
Maybe the problem lies within the host OS, Buster? ;-) This is Windows 10, I presume? And yes, I'm just teasing. Have you tried a full install of it anywhere? I haven't yet.
"Have you tried a full install of it anywhere?"
No. I have my full install of a linux distro on my desktop (Mint). And it's fine. But I always search for the perfect Virtual Machine distro for my laptop. Ubuntu doesn't suit my needs very well.
By the way, how do you get a single click mouse in Ubuntu???
I don't know how you do that. I prefer double-click if you mean for opening folders and files, etc, so if I'm changing the default, it's back to double-click.
Double click is the default. But Shirley some users prefer single. (And don't call me Shirley.)
Quote from: buster on May 02, 2018, 11:02:47 PM
Double click is the default. But Shirley some users prefer single. (And don't call me Shirley.)
Yeah, I got that. I was trying to say the only time I ever change that setting is when it's set to single-click and I'm changing it do double-click. I find single click annoying because I often click a file just to select it or select it and then hold down the Ctrl key to select multiple files for moving, deleting, whatever. Yes, I know you can get around this probably by clicking the Ctrl key first but old habits die hard for old men like me :)
I'm sure that other people like it that way, too. Did you check the Ubuntu forums? Mike might know but I'm not sure he has Internet wherever he is, right now. If you can make the PLUG meeting, bring it - be a good question to field to members.
"be a good question to field to members"
I can still ask out of curiosity. But for the second time I just deleted Ubuntu. It was very slow.
Single click of the mouse, is the only way to go, for me, :-)
Bill
Quote from: Jason Wallwork on May 03, 2018, 06:58:48 AM
Quote from: buster on May 02, 2018, 11:02:47 PM
Double click is the default. But Shirley some users prefer single. (And don't call me Shirley.)
Yeah, I got that. I was trying to say the only time I ever change that setting is when it's set to single-click and I'm changing it do double-click. I find single click annoying because I often click a file just to select it or select it and then hold down the Ctrl key to select multiple files for moving, deleting, whatever. Yes, I know you can get around this probably by clicking the Ctrl key first but old habits die hard for old men like me :)
I'm sure that other people like it that way, too. Did you check the Ubuntu forums? Mike might know but I'm not sure he has Internet wherever he is, right now. If you can make the PLUG meeting, bring it - be a good question to field to members.
Single click forever!
Since no one reported on an upgrade yet, I thought I would post my experience. I upgraded two installations on the same computer. Both were running 17.10, but one was originally a clean 17.10 installation and the other, one that had been upgraded at least two times from earlier versions. The latter had Unity, Gnome and Openbox on it; the former only stock Ubuntu with its modified gnome interface. Both updates were successful, but the one with Unity froze near the end of the installation with an error message I was unable to dismiss. I did a hard shutdown and it wouldn't boot, but I was able to get it to single user mode and complete the installation in three more steps (each requiring a reboot and further updates). I don't know if the problem was having Unity, Gnome and Ubuntu Gnome on the same installation, or if either Unity or the additional gnome was the problem. Whatever it was, I didn't have the same problem when I upgraded that installation from 17.04 to 17.10.
All of the previously installed software runs well on the two partitions upgraded to 18.04 LTS. And it seems a bit faster than 17.10, especially on the partition that doesn't have other desktops installed. However, RAM usage seems very high - over 1.8 GB with no app running, but this on a computer with 12 GB installed.
I'm going to try upgrading my laptop from 16.04 to 18.04 and also an old iMac running Ubuntu 17.10 with KDE. I'll report back.
The 18.04 upgrade went well on both the laptop running 16.04 and an old mac mini running 17.10 with KDE installed. I had only one minor problem with the mac mini - wifi wouldn't connect initially, but a restart brought it back. On the 16.04 upgrade I had both Unity and Gnome installed. Like one of the previous installations, having Gnome installed before it was made the default desktop causes some interference with the gnome shell extensions unique to Ubuntu 17.10 and 18.04. The update then doesn't install two of those extensions, Ubuntu dock for gnome shell and the appindicator. Once I found and installed those two, I had 18.04 with the default gnome desktop on my laptop. However, the app indicators for dropbox and insync still don't show up on the mac mini and I have yet to figure out how to make that feature work.
Quote from: fox on May 05, 2018, 03:42:34 PM
However, RAM usage seems very high - over 1.8 GB with no app running, but this on a computer with 12 GB installed.
That's likely the only reason. More RAM probably means more of it will be cached for quicker opening of applications or reading of files. In any case, using 1.8 GB of 12 GB of RAM won't affect your performance in the slightest.
A fresh install of 18.04 worked very well on my new iMac, and with kernel 4.15, it boots instantly without changing grub parameters. This is great; now I'll have to decide whether to use this or Mint 18.3 as my regular distro at work. Unfortunately, when trying to install an old stats program, I buggered it up so bad that it won't start up the GUI and several attempts to rescue it didn't work. I'll have to reinstall, but that should be quick.
Doing a different upgrade of my own.
Updating the windows subsystem for Linux on my surface. I want to get all the goodies too :)
I just successfully upgraded my old Acer Timeline laptop from Ubuntu 16.04 to 18.04. There were a few minor problems, again including getting icons like Dropbox to show on the menubar, but I solved them with the help of various postings.
So did the upgrade take several hours, cod3poet?
12 to 15 minutes, Did the upgrade on my surface so I did. it expect it to go quick plus I have the least amount of stuff on it since the crash recovery :) I have since learned that virtualization is best left for desktops with more Ram that do not hibernate.