Election Night Live posts

[Jason]

I think he was holding off to see with the count just how likely his win is. To me, the speech looked a little of an acceptance as well as calling for calm, etc. He even suggested how many E.V. (304 or 307?) they'd likely end up with after winning 4 of the 5 states that are close. Along with Pennsylvania, Nevada and Arizona, he may yet take Georgia. And you never know, he might take Alaska, they have lots of votes to count there. Along with 1 electoral vote in Nebraska, it looks like the Democratic "wall" will still be there. Now if they could build on that wall for next time.

It's still my contention that, had they picked Bernie, the election wouldn't have been as close. They did get more Democrats out there voting for Biden and Independents, which they believe, put Biden over the top. But Trump won four years ago because he was a populist that spoke directly to average Americans (even if it was mostly lying) and he pulled over voters that would have voted Democrat. I know that because I've talked to many of them. Once Sanders was out for 2016, they voted for the orange snake oil salesman. But we'll never know and I guess ultimately it doesn't matter how much you win by as long as you win.

On another subject, how many of you think that Trump will literally stay in office until they escort him off the premises? I think there's about a 2 to 1 chance he will claiming fraud all the way. He doesn't seem like the guy who will go quietly into the night. And, this sounds crazy, but it might be possible for him to pardon himself of any crimes before he leaves. My legal professor friend was telling me that constitutional experts are split on whether it's possible.

[buster]

Joe just biden his time. Donald trumps up illegal ballot claims.


What? What............?

[buster]

The Associated Press has given Biden Pennsylvania and Nebraska.

It seems to be over except for 2 1/2 more months of Mr Trump in charge. And covid, and the California fires, and maybe a tropical storm in Florida.

Because Biden reached a 0.5 % lead in Pennsylvania, anyone who asks for a recount has to pay for it I believe.

Next 3 weeks will be interesting. Maybe a meltdown city scenario. Maybe a calm acceptance. Maybe vitriol the like of which we have never seen before.

[fox]

You mean Pennsylvania and Nevada.

Georgia hasn't been called yet, and that is one of the most important to me. It would not only be a flip (like Arizona), but also, there will be two senatorial races there in January that will make the difference as to who controls the senate.

[buster]

Should read ....Pennsylvania and Nevada....

I'm just so exhausted from all my reporting. (Fox understands about my other lives.)

[Jason]

You must have a lot of hometown pride tonight, Fox. Your state put Biden over the top! There are a lot of Gritty memes going on out there for Hockey fans like this one.

[buster]

The money gathering for legal battles may have nothing to do with fighting the results. I went to the fund raising site, scrolled down, and found this buried in the fine print:

"50% of each contribution, up to a maximum of $2,800 ($5,000), to be designated toward DJTFPââ,¬â,,¢s 2020 general election account for general election debt retirement until such debt is retired."

Go to https://www.donaldjtrump.com/ and click 'contribute'. Scroll down.

So he might have to fight for quite awhile 'til the debt is paid off.

[Jason]

I doubt that has anything to do with the reason. Spending money on thousands of lawyers to get donations isn't a wise strategy. Compared to Biden, he didn't get a lot of donations during the election, it's doubtful he's going to get a lot more after losing it. And it's not like Trump is personally responsible for the debt. He doesn't even care about the debt he and his personal companies rack up. It's unlikely he cares about this. Maybe the campaign fund administrators care but even that's doubtful. I don't think the debt becomes the party's concern. It's more about Trump's ego, and not even winning those states, just so he doesn't have to look like a "loser" something Trump can't even consider.

Presidential debt seems to be a common fixture of losers. According to this NPR article, John Glenn took 23 years to pay off his debt and that's because he was trying to do the right thing. Most defeated candidates don't even bother.

[buster]

The dishonesty bothers me. Many loyal Trumpsters are donating their mony to 'fight for justice', and when they look at the web page, there is no clear indication that half the money is being syphoned off.

[Jason]

It says up to half. In Canada, up to 100% can be used to pay off debts from party donations so they are getting a better deal although it looks like this is specific to the presidential campaign. I expect that some law just requires them to point out what should be obvious when you think about it. And it's not dishonest when you put it there, in the fine print when a donation is made. Our parties or candidate donations don't even tell you that much.

[Jason]

Oh, I think I see what you're getting at now. There is a donate button text at the top that says to donate to their defence fund. My eyes just shot to the contribute button not that text. And it doesn't outright say that you're donating to their general fund. But the print below is still there after you click on it. It also says below the buttons for the amount to donate "Your contribution will benefit Donald J. Trump for President, Inc and Trump Make America Great Again Committee." pretty clearly. It could be perceived as being dishonest or at least fuzzy but remember this is Donald Trump we're talking about. Most of his supporters already know he lies incessantly so how can they expect better from his campaign?